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28 Dec 2007, 2:24 pm

There's an article about social network sites (like myspace, facebook, etc) and how they force users to conform to a model of social interaction best suited for people with Asperger's and Autism. The article argues that mainstream users use the sites in an autisticly simplistic way. Friends are definite, communications are centralized and lack social complexity (look at peoples' walls on facebook, for instance).

The article was published in 2004.

Here's the link (warning: very complex article):
http://www.danah.org/papers/Supernova2004.html

Here's a quote it was based on:

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I have a funny feeling that social technology is back to developing software based on disorders and instigating new ones in people. Only, we've move away from schizophrenia and onto autism. Did you ever get the sneaking suspicion that this new wave of "social software" is not really making social life easier, but permitting the kind of social awkwardness that is recognized in Asperger's?

I wonder if this is intentional or a by-product of the tech culture. I've been fascinated to see a strong increase in the publicity of autism and Asperger's lately and an even more noticeable increase in the number of people mocking others' autistic tendencies with respect to the lack of social appropriateness.


http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archiv ... rgers.html

if he's right (and he is right about certain things), the whole web 2.0 revolution is actually good for people with asperger's. I certainly like having a central tool like facebook where I can find out information about people that would otherwise require me to engage in nuanced and hard to understand nonverbal heavy conversations.


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28 Dec 2007, 3:49 pm

Interesting stuff. I think the autism angle is, if anything, a little overanalysed though - filters exist because actually, it's not an artificial construct upon how socialising works. That's how everyone works - that's why you have so-called "best" friends, then others farther outside your circle of trust, etc. Rating friends to a degree helps with that, especially if such ratings (on systems like Livejournal and Facebook) allow content to be restricted amongst only a certain restricted cabal.
In a lot of ways, saying that all these social networking sites make interaction a bit autistic is true though. Not in the way the author intends, however - it's just that when you're dealing in pure text, a literal interpretation and the lack of other social cues mean that interaction is less tiring for us, and more true to the way we think. It's just straight text and ideas, none of that complicated body language facial expression stuff. That this comes naturally for us, and others have to also conform to it (since, before Second Life, it was the only game in town), of course the interaction is a bit autistic on a certain level. That's just the nature of the beast. But the other criticisms are, I think, outright wrong.

On the flipside, the stuff I hate about Facebook, MySpace and their ilk are the way that skinning, music, stupid quizzes and other asinine crap that requires little or no thought seem to have come to dominate. I guess that's what the mass-market wants, in some way. Easy, trend-following plug-ins, but it irritates the hell out of me (one of the reasons I mostly stick with Livejournal - it's all about the text and your thoughts. LJ has evolved, as the author says, but it's evolved to be mostly used by a pretty intellectual subset of internet users).

I had a train of thought when I started writing this, but it seems to have run off the proverbial rails.


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28 Dec 2007, 4:18 pm

Well I'm probably more inept online than in real life and that is saying something. :D

It seems to me that people who use these social networking sites most effectively are quite socially clued up or at least concerned with social status and networking.

Ironically I have turned my one and only social networking profile in a virtual hovel to put some of my work and less that a handful can view it. I haven’t used it to talk to them either.



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28 Dec 2007, 4:33 pm

I'd expect that the majority of the innovative bits of Web 2.0 are designed BY aspies since we generally seem to dominate the computing field. If it's designed BY us, then it probably does use our communications methods.



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28 Dec 2007, 6:18 pm

alex wrote:
if he's right (and he is right about certain things), the whole web 2.0 revolution is actually good for people with asperger's. I certainly like having a central tool like facebook where I can find out information about people that would otherwise require me to engage in nuanced and hard to understand nonverbal heavy conversations.


The writer is a she actually--danah boyd.
There are several researchers making similar assertions about "Second Life" since that has several communities for people with aspergers...



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28 Dec 2007, 7:42 pm

What is it about Second Life anyway? I tried it for 5 minutes... and couldn't stand it at all. Most of the people I know in real life have never heard of it. The only places I hear about it are on internet forums like this one...



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28 Dec 2007, 7:50 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
What is it about Second Life anyway? I tried it for 5 minutes... and couldn't stand it at all. Most of the people I know in real life have never heard of it. The only places I hear about it are on internet forums like this one...


It's being hyped in all the business magazines since you can make money selling things or advertise your real life business. Some schools are also trying education or doing experiments on there too. I personally find it kind of dull since all the places I've been to seem deserted so don't know where these fabled millions of users are hanging out.



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28 Dec 2007, 9:39 pm

I've heard of 2nd life, but until I can come up with a 2nd income...;)



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28 Dec 2007, 9:42 pm

pakled wrote:
I've heard of 2nd life, but until I can come up with a 2nd income...;)


It's actually free as long as you have internet access. You only need money if you want to buy land or buy fancy accessories I think.



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31 Dec 2007, 11:32 am

pakled wrote:
I've heard of 2nd life, but until I can come up with a 2nd income...;)


I have enough trouble with a first life. Why would anyone want a second one?


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