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20 Aug 2014, 9:02 pm

Hello everyone, this is my first post and I am seeking help. I am the mother of three children in the spectrum. My middle son is 8 years old and the one that displays the most classic symptoms of autism, he also has a severe global development delay. One of the things he does is "tease" a lot. He teases his oldest brother constantly and laughs when his brother gets angry, basically he goes and does something he knows he's not supposed to do just to get a reaction, he enjoys that. He does the same thing with me.

I am kind of lost because I couldn't find anything about it online and the only source I found said that autistic children are unable to tease because "teasing requires the ability to understand intention, nonliteral communication, pretense and social context.".

Can anyone tell me if teasing is common in autism? Thanks in advance for your replies!



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20 Aug 2014, 9:25 pm

My kids have displayed "mean" behaviour but I think it's not that they're trying to hurt you, it's that they find your reaction funny, and they don't consider how you might feel. I think that's classic autistic behaviour. My younger son also likes to break rules, just to hear you state the rule out loud. I think it's predictable aspect that he likes- he knows what you're going to say and he wants you to say it. He'll even prompt me on how to scold him :lol: . But again, it's not about purposefully breaking rules, or making me angry- it's about the reaction, he's not thinking about why the rule is there or how I feel.


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20 Aug 2014, 9:34 pm

Thanks for your reply. :) I searched online and I just couldn't find anything about it!



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20 Aug 2014, 9:45 pm

Kids sometimes do things that make those around them upset, without understanding this and without that being their intent. I would try really hard to not label this teasing as that will make it more upsetting. Teasing does require that the teaser have an understanding that the other person is a person and an ability to think about their reaction. Those things often wouldn't be there for him yet.

To address the issue it may help to think about what happens before he does the behavior that feels like teasing, looking for anything you can interrupt. And think also about what you do next that he may like. I think if you can identify some way to interrupt the specific behavior then since it's probably not his goal to tease, he'll likely not look for other ways to tease if you can find a way to interrupt what he's doing now.



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20 Aug 2014, 9:46 pm

I was a pest when I was younger. I didn't understand that I was hurting the other person's feelings or making the other person mad. I was just joking, didn't mean the mean things I said. I assumed the other person understood that. I see now that it was my lack of empathy. I never could understand the other's reaction, like why their feelings would be hurt. I guess I expected the other person to read my mind.



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20 Aug 2014, 9:50 pm

Thanks guys. My problem is that I have three children in the spectrum and when he does that to them it makes the oldest very angry and they start fighting verbally (he is a teen, very high functioning and doesn't like to be around him) and my youngest is 6 and reacts by screaming and crying.


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20 Aug 2014, 9:56 pm

Autismx3 wrote:
Thanks for your reply. :) I searched online and I just couldn't find anything about it!

I would google the specific problem behavior, or you could post it here. Because it sounds like teasing in the same way a young baby throwing food and their spoon down and watching an adult retrieve it is experienced as teasing.....it isn't really the same as planned teasing. And the best solution is to recognize the baby isn't interested in eating and end the meal. Of course your child is 8 so it's more complicated, but I'd suggest trying to address the specific issue.



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21 Aug 2014, 2:01 am

Autismx3 wrote:
Hello everyone, this is my first post and I am seeking help. I am the mother of three children in the spectrum. My middle son is 8 years old and the one that displays the most classic symptoms of autism, he also has a severe global development delay. One of the things he does is "tease" a lot. He teases his oldest brother constantly and laughs when his brother gets angry, basically he goes and does something he knows he's not supposed to do just to get a reaction, he enjoys that. He does the same thing with me.

I am kind of lost because I couldn't find anything about it online and the only source I found said that autistic children are unable to tease because "teasing requires the ability to understand intention, nonliteral communication, pretense and social context.".

Can anyone tell me if teasing is common in autism? Thanks in advance for your replies!



I used to tease all the time and I was testing people to see what happens and how they react and also because it got me attention. I didn't even understand the concept of teasing and what it meant so therefore I didn't even know what I was doing was teasing. I did lot of stuff I found funny like going in the bathroom and turning off the light and I didn't really understand how it made the person feel.

I don't know if it's common in autism but I can say teasing is a common family trait in my family lol so that was the family trait I had inherited but the problem was I didn't know when to stop so it alienated me from kids and their parents didn't want their kids around me. My mom felt sad for me.


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22 Aug 2014, 8:03 am

All those experts who write all those articles and books greatly underestimate what autistic kids are capable of.

Autistic kids do not "tease" the way NT kids do. There isn't a lot of subtlety, and they are not going to be good at skirting lines (say, the line between getting in trouble and not, or getting pounded by your older brother and not, or annoying your little sibling versus making them cry).

But autistic kids are definitely capable of doing something to get a reaction ("It's funny when you turn purple, Mommy!"), or because they like doing it and don't get (or don't give a crap) how it makes the other party feel, or because the impulse is there but the impulse control isn't. Yet. To be quite frank, kids have to be extremely profoundly impaired in order to be incapable of being little jerks at times (lots of times).

How to deal with it?? I really don't know.

I learned young that teasing hurt and not to do it, and that I wasn't good at it and shouldn't do it. I still tried some times-- my best friend had a really annoying little brother and we had a mutual "You irritate me on purpose, and I chase you and thump you" relationship-- but mostly I learned through failure and rejection to shut the hell up. Not a method I would recommend.

The best thing I can think of would be to pack the offending child off to an isolated location, without anything fun to do. "When you do that, it hurts your sibling. Listening to you fight drives me nuts. Go to your room." Ad infinitum. Even stubbornly perseverative people do learn eventually (no matter what my mother-in-law says, lol).

That way they get a lesson in empathy; more importantly, they don't get to enjoy the fruit of their labors (ie watch the funny reaction).

Of course, if they don't go, the ensuing power struggle could be even more entertaining...


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